[cisco-voip] overhead paging system integration

[Mark D. Nagel]

After having exhausted all my normal avenues of research (including
TAC), I thought perhaps someone here has run into the same problem I'm
currently tackling. I have a site recently migrated to CCM from an
older Siemens PBX. The site has a custom overhead paging system that is
as simple as can be imagined -- tip and ring link to speakers and when
this is connected to with the old system, voice is transmitted over the
paging system. We initially thought we could just link to an ATA-186 or
an FXS port, but this thing looks like it is off-hook constantly, so you
can't only do that. I also tried to put a Valcom V-9940 Paging Adapter
in the middle, but my layer 1 skills are limited and the solution failed
(I may have selected the wrong wiring configuration). My question to
the list is, has anyone come up with a method to link CCM into overhead
paging systems, and if so, would you be willing to share your solution?

Thank you,
Mark

[Jason Burwell]

Mark,

I have several sites with overhead paging systems. I have linked them to CCM using an ATA186 hooked to a Valcom paging adaptor (the exact model number I cannot remember right now). I just put a phantom DN on the ATA and program a speed dial on all phones that need access. They press the speed dial and are greeted almost immediately by the Valcom "talk tone". The paticular model I am using has feedback reduction. I highly recommend using a phantom number, because if someone on the outside dials into it you could have a problem. This has been working perfectly for the last couple of years. I tried to use an FXS port on a 3725 once, but I had problems with the port not disconnecting properly and getting hung up. I switched to the ATAs and have had no more problems. If you would like I can get the Valcom model number I am using, just let me know. Hope this helps!

Jason

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Subject: [cisco-voip] overhead paging system integration



After having exhausted all my normal avenues of research (including
TAC), I thought perhaps someone here has run into the same problem I'm
currently tackling. I have a site recently migrated to CCM from an
older Siemens PBX. The site has a custom overhead paging system that is
as simple as can be imagined -- tip and ring link to speakers and when
this is connected to with the old system, voice is transmitted over the
paging system. We initially thought we could just link to an ATA-186 or
an FXS port, but this thing looks like it is off-hook constantly, so you
can't only do that. I also tried to put a Valcom V-9940 Paging Adapter
in the middle, but my layer 1 skills are limited and the solution failed
(I may have selected the wrong wiring configuration). My question to
the list is, has anyone come up with a method to link CCM into overhead
paging systems, and if so, would you be willing to share your solution?

Thank you,
Mark

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[Mark D. Nagel]

Post by Jason Burwell
I have several sites with overhead paging systems. I have linked
them to CCM using an ATA186 hooked to a Valcom paging adaptor (the
exact model number I cannot remember right now). I just put a phantom
DN on the ATA and program a speed dial on all phones that need access.
They press the speed dial and are greeted almost immediately by the
Valcom "talk tone". The paticular model I am using has feedback
reduction. I highly recommend using a phantom number, because if
someone on the outside dials into it you could have a problem. This
has been working perfectly for the last couple of years. I tried to
use an FXS port on a 3725 once, but I had problems with the port not
disconnecting properly and getting hung up. I switched to the ATAs and
have had no more problems. If you would like I can get the Valcom
model number I am using, just let me know. Hope this helps!

I have the phantom DN configured OK -- it is '*99' in a local partition
so other offices do not have access to it. If I hook an analog phone to
the ATA, I can dial it just fine. The trouble ultimately is, I can't
figure out the right configuration on the Valcom V-9940. I tried the
version where you connect the speakers to 8 & 9, ATA to 16 & 17 and
power to 29 & 30, set dip 1 to off, 4 and 8 to on. That was based on
the manual's description of a "PABX to speakers" configuration. That
didn't work and I just didn't have the fundamentals to draw from to
troubleshoot. If anyone has a known working pin configuration for the
V-9940, that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark

[p***@neo.rr.com]

Hi Mark,
I'm familiar with both paging and the Siemens PBX's. What ever the
Siemens had before, you should be able to do with either an FXS port or
an FXO port. If you must use an FXS port, I have successfully used ATA's
and FXS ports with a Valcom 9940 integrated into a trunk level interface
into paging equipment. Now, the question is, what did the Siemens system
plug into as far as the paging system goes. There must have been some
sort-of page adapter. The Siemens doesn't have anything else to
integrate with except for FXO/FXS type interface. So, if you can find
the model of page adapter that they were using, you should be able to
tell whether it was trunk level or station level paging out of the
Siemens. If it was station level, you should be able to cross connect
your FXS station into the same port the Siemens was connected to (there
are some other modification to remove the tones when the remote caller
hangs up. I have the settings for ATA's if you need it). If the page
adapter was a trunk level, as long as it isn't multi-zone or anything
crazy, you should just be able to replace that with the V-9940. If it
was multi-zone, I have had to front end the old page adapter with a
V-9940 and had it work....

Anyway, I'm rambling.. Let me know if this helps and please let me know
if you have any more questions..

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark D. Nagel" <***@willingminds.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:35 pm
Subject: [cisco-voip] overhead paging system integration

Post by Mark D. Nagel
After having exhausted all my normal avenues of research (including
TAC), I thought perhaps someone here has run into the same problem I'm
currently tackling. I have a site recently migrated to CCM from an
older Siemens PBX. The site has a custom overhead paging system
that is
as simple as can be imagined -- tip and ring link to speakers and when
this is connected to with the old system, voice is transmitted over
thepaging system. We initially thought we could just link to an
ATA-186 or
an FXS port, but this thing looks like it is off-hook constantly,
so you
can't only do that. I also tried to put a Valcom V-9940 Paging
Adapterin the middle, but my layer 1 skills are limited and the
solution failed
(I may have selected the wrong wiring configuration). My question to
the list is, has anyone come up with a method to link CCM into
overheadpaging systems, and if so, would you be willing to share
your solution?
Thank you,
Mark
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[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Mark, we had a similar set up. We had an old ROLM 9000 and used a 'trunk' port and connected it directly to the amplifier. The trunk port controlled call supervision so it would always hang up.

We installed Bogen TAM-B units and used a VG248 port and things worked great. No problems whatsoever. If I'm not mistaken we didn't even change the wires into the amplifier we just punched down right to the same BIX pair. The Bogens are cheaper than the Valcoms and don't need any power. They don't have all the bells and whistles the Valcoms have but we wanted simple.

http://www.bogen.com/products/pdfs/telephonepagepdfs/TAMBs.pdf


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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark D. Nagel
To: cisco-***@puck.nether.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: [cisco-voip] overhead paging system integration


After having exhausted all my normal avenues of research (including
TAC), I thought perhaps someone here has run into the same problem I'm
currently tackling. I have a site recently migrated to CCM from an
older Siemens PBX. The site has a custom overhead paging system that is
as simple as can be imagined -- tip and ring link to speakers and when
this is connected to with the old system, voice is transmitted over the
paging system. We initially thought we could just link to an ATA-186 or
an FXS port, but this thing looks like it is off-hook constantly, so you
can't only do that. I also tried to put a Valcom V-9940 Paging Adapter
in the middle, but my layer 1 skills are limited and the solution failed
(I may have selected the wrong wiring configuration). My question to
the list is, has anyone come up with a method to link CCM into overhead
paging systems, and if so, would you be willing to share your solution?

Thank you,
Mark

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[Faye Day]

[cisco-voip] overhead paging system integrationWe would like to know more
about the setup using the ATA186 and a Valcom paging unit. Can you please
provide the Valcom model number and any setup details you care to share.

Thanks,

Faye Day
Wilson County Technology Services
1817 Glendale Ave
PO Box 1728
Wilson, NC 27894-1728
[phone]

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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:11 PM
To: Mark D. Nagel; cisco-***@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] overhead paging system integration


Mark,

I have several sites with overhead paging systems. I have linked them
to CCM using an ATA186 hooked to a Valcom paging adaptor (the exact model
number I cannot remember right now). I just put a phantom DN on the ATA and
program a speed dial on all phones that need access. They press the speed
dial and are greeted almost immediately by the Valcom "talk tone". The
paticular model I am using has feedback reduction. I highly recommend using
a phantom number, because if someone on the outside dials into it you could
have a problem. This has been working perfectly for the last couple of
years. I tried to use an FXS port on a 3725 once, but I had problems with
the port not disconnecting properly and getting hung up. I switched to the
ATAs and have had no more problems. If you would like I can get the Valcom
model number I am using, just let me know. Hope this helps!

Jason


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To: cisco-***@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] overhead paging system integration


After having exhausted all my normal avenues of research (including
TAC), I thought perhaps someone here has run into the same problem I'm
currently tackling. I have a site recently migrated to CCM from an
older Siemens PBX. The site has a custom overhead paging system that is
as simple as can be imagined -- tip and ring link to speakers and when
this is connected to with the old system, voice is transmitted over the
paging system. We initially thought we could just link to an ATA-186 or
an FXS port, but this thing looks like it is off-hook constantly, so you
can't only do that. I also tried to put a Valcom V-9940 Paging Adapter
in the middle, but my layer 1 skills are limited and the solution failed
(I may have selected the wrong wiring configuration). My question to
the list is, has anyone come up with a method to link CCM into overhead
paging systems, and if so, would you be willing to share your solution?

Thank you,
Mark

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